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again, i want to thank all the city departments that worked closely with my staff in moving this forward and want to very much appreciate the support of the administration and the mayor in moving forward with this policy. with that, i know that there are likely also representatives from the department of public health, real estate and the mta if any other city staff has any initial comments you'd like to make, love to hear them. otherwise, mr. chair, i suggest that we go to public comment at this time. >> sure. and i just have one quick question for ms. ballard. i'm sawyer, supervisor kim has a question. ~ [speaker not understood] innovating a lot of parks now which is awesome and they're beautiful. >> thank you. >> did the department -- what is the department doing to -- or is there -- are we actually installing water filling infrastructure in the parks as we renovate them? i know, for example, dolores park, i don't think we're doing that. maybe i'm forgetting something.
can you just let me know what's happening there? >> so, in our interior facilities, that's a pretty easy -- >> a lot of parks don't have -- >> right. in our landscapes, it's a little more challenging. i actually have not looked closely at the substudent ordinance, but i believe there is lack wa in there requiring us in capital projects over a certain amount to continue to do that ~. it is our goal, as you know from participating in many of our community meetings, there is covering associated with costs, but it is a stated goal for all of our capital projects. >> and, so, in terms of what would rec and park -- what could we anticipate going forward? do you have a park that doesn't have all of the indoor facilities unless it's outdoors, and it gets renovated, what would go in precisely? >> i think what we have found is the global tap stationseses that we have put in with the
help of the puc as aaron mentioned at crocker amazon, the marina greens has a very well used and are anecdotal evidence. crocker amazon in particular which is a sports complex has really reduced the reliance on plastic bottles. people do bring their own bottles. i would imagine replicating that model. >> that's outside? >> correct. >> okay. so, you can do that in a way where it doesn't get vandalized so much? everything gets vandalized. >> yes, [speaker not understood] historic district, all of those layers because it is a larger footprint [speaker not understood] water fountain. >> and how about park that have already been renovated or are currently and are about to go into renovation, is there a plan to go back? because so, for example, dolores park which we're going to be breaking ground this
weekend finally, you know, given how heavily used that park, whether or not there is an event going on there that included [speaker not understood] events and there are often 5,000 peep until that park on a nice weekend afternoon, it would be great as you're putting this infrastructure in, put it in for example, dolores park because even if it's not an official event, you could bring water bottles, it would be great to give people easy access to water. >> i'm not sure off the top of my head if -- those plans. i know there are water fountains in dolores park. [speaker not understood]. >> those water found tans are not the greatest. >> they're often out of service which is a challenge. i will look at that and get back to your staff. >> thank you very much. >> if i could partially answer supervisor wiener's question ~. in our ordinance it specifically states the sfpuc in the next six months will do essentially an inventory around the city of how we can allow
event sponsors to access city controlled and operated water supplies as well as to investigate installing plumbing equipment on existing water systems so that the public can access water in park sites. and it also states that once this ordinance passes, it will be the city policy, the policy of san francisco that any city department that undertakeses the capital improvement in a park, plaza, playground, or other public space shall install bottle filling stations, drinking fountains and or potable water hookups for public use. so, again, we're really trying to build this in. there is a lot more work that needs to be done and the sfpuc by the end of -- middle part of this year will give us an inventory what we need to do. >> that's great, okay. thank you very much. supervisor kim? >> thank you. i'm not actually sure who this question is best directed to. i'm very supportive of this legislation. i'm really glad to see that we are moving forward for all the reasons that were already stated in the findings in the presentation. but i have a couple questions. one, i was curious if we have a map of where most of our
special events take place just to get a sense of the access to potable water [speaker not understood]. so, just to get a sense of the realistic nature of achieving access to potable water over the next two years. and then my second question actually is what percentage of our events are not by not for profits? most of the street fairs and events that i'm familiar with are organized by nonfor profits. and, so, if that's the case then i'm wondering if, you know, the vast kind of the impact of this legislation will take place for many more years. >> so, i will answer the question the following way. which is we met with countless event producers, city department agency folks to really understand what is happening, but we don't have a map. and because of that, we structured the legislation to basically say by october of this year, if an event is inside on city property, you
can't distributor sell bottled water. but if it's outside, what we specifically say is unless there is access to water, it doesn't kick in. so, you're absolutely right. because we depth have an exact sense of where everything was happening, we wanted to give a couple years years for this transition to occur. during that time period we're going to do the mapping you're talking about, the sfpuc will do the inventory. we'll figure out which sites we'll put in those plans. this is the process over the next three years to phase in how our city deals with this and how producers deal with it. >> it will be great to see that. if we know 60 or 80% of our events happen in three or four different locations we know to prioritize those locations for access to potable water. >> in working with this ordinance with supervisor's staff, with it that for parks property and can happily share that information with you. it's primarily golden gate park, and [speaker not understood] would be our top priorities. and we do have the breakdown of who the event he producers are. [multiple voices]
>> don't forget dolores park. >> [speaker not understood]. 5,000 people. >> that's where you get the event permits from. >> is there a master list of special events for the city? because i know we apply through many different departments which i think can be confusing for event organizers. is there a master list? >> i'm june [speaker not understood], from the health department [speaker not understood]. i'm an epidemiologist. in environmental health we actually permit special events and also dem, department of emergency management, for many of the types of events as to approve health and safety plan. and, so, between the two agencies i think there is somewhere -- a list -- i don't have it myself, but i'm sure we
could provide that. yeah, i think that overall the implementation of this ordinance as it moves forward will have opportunities to make sure that all of the health and safety needs are met. >> do you know what percentage of our special events are hosted by nonprofits? >> i do not know that answer. i know we do like thing at the folsom street fair and parades and there are quite a few. >> you know, and i understand that was a compromise that was made in the legislation. now i'm just speaking with the author. and i completely understand some of the major events may not be able to comply quickly enough and the time to adjust. i'm worried the broad -- a broad swath of labeling nonprofit maybe 80% of all of
our public events means that legislation won't really have an impact until 2018. , and so, that's just one i want to bring up. >> to be clear, i am going to be asking for an amendment to this language because it should have been nonproof it entities over 250,000. so, the way this will work is by october of this year, if it's indoors, no plastic water bottles. if outdoors, if there is not access to water it doesn't kick in until october of 2016. the largest events over 250,000 people, that would essentially be the folsom street fair, concluding pride t. wouldn't kick in for them until january of 2018. >> i didn't see that number. it makes sense for smaller nonprofit events legislation would take place -- take effect either 2014 or 2016. >> likely 2016 unless there is access. if there is access then, great, there's access. >> thank you. >> okay. so, colleagues, if there are no
further questions or comments, we will proceed to public comment. i have six public comment cards, excuse me, 7. if you have not filled one out and you would like to speak, the yellow cards are in the front. you'll have 2 minutes. you'll hear a soft bell. when your time is up you will hear a louder bell. so, i'll call these in order. james toner. cameron bingley. [speaker not understood]. taylor stafford. michael [speaker not understood]. and mara schechter. good afternoon. i'll make my comments briefs. [speaker not understood] national bottled water association. you have my extensive comments that i submitted but i do want to highlight a couple points on there just so you all are aware. i hope you agreed further. if you have any questions. we are opposed to this proposal simply because we feel that efforts to restrict access to
bottled water will hinder individuals who are trying for a healthier beverage alternative. we also want to buy bottled water, the lowest environmental footprint of any packaged beverage. it has the lowest ratio of any plastic beverage. [speaker not understood] food and drug administration, but also within the state as a packaged food product which makes bottled water a safe choice for consumers. beyond that two points not in my comments, while i commend the efforts to deal with potential disaster issues, i think one of the issues that is overlooked is that if there is an instance where we cannot get bottled water to you, such as disaster such as happened with the last major earthquake in the city where bridges and roads are down, you will not be able to get access to bottled water. you will not be able to deliver it in those situations. also ask you to consider those with compromised immune system. and while i think that there are some provisions built in for this, i think that tourists
and individuals who live in the city, bottled water, the cdc recommends that those with compromised immune systems drink bottled water. take any questions at this time. >> okay, thank you very much. thank you very much. next speaker, and i will also call michael davis. good afternoon. my name is cameron bingley. i'm a graduating senior at san francisco state university with a degree in environmental studies and geography. i also work in sustainability on campus and one of many student leaders leading the campaign to eliminate water bottles on campus. we found eliminating bottles [speaker not understood].
the production and transportation of these water bottles requires millions of gallons of oil. epa estimates between 10 and 30% of plastics the in united states even make it into the recycling stream, the rest end up in landfills and polluting our ocean. it is tested up to 5 times less frequently than tap water and tap water does not contain chemicals such as bpa that endangers the health of those who drink t. thev research is there to back it up and this is an ordinance will have a vast and deniably positive impact on the future of san francisco. now i want to share some comments on the successful methods on implementation process. our campus installed indoor water refill station retrofit, [speaker not understood] in every academic building on campus. because of this success, we are in the process of installing 20 more indoor retrofits and three outdoor hydration stations.
so, we've also been able to give out hundreds of water bottles to students to aid in behavioral change with great success. thank you and i hope you decide to move forward on this ordinance. >> thank you very much. next speaker. other folks can line up if you're able to stand. good afternoon, supervisors. my name is paul justy. i'm representing ecology today and i'm here to speak in favor of the proposed legislation. as supervisor supervisor chiu mentioned earlier, the recycling center at pier 96 does recycle million of water bottles each year. however, it's important to remember that one of the original environmental mantras that probably goes back to the days of the boda bag is to
reduce, reuse and recycle in that order. reduction being the most environmentally impactful thing we can do. then there's the plastic bottles that never even make it to the recycling facility. the bottles that edv ~ end up in the black bins, city litter cans and go directly to the landfill to be buried forever. that's just a tremendous waste of resource he when you consider what it takes to make the bottles ~. san francisco really needs to be proud of its environmental accomplishments and the distance that we've traveled down the path to get to zero waste, and a lot of that has to do with legislation that we have passed for environmental things and we just see this legislation as one more step along that path and want to support that. thank you. >> thank you very much, mr. justy. next speaker.
hello, i'm michael [speaker not understood], owner and operator of waste buster hes. we are zero waste event greening service, one of the official services recognized by the san francisco department of the environment and a state certified recycling program. we're really happy about this legislation and san francisco's continued push toward zero waste and getting out in front, source reduction really is the key to effectively reduce waste because 71 times as much waste as we throw out is created in the making of the waste. so, this way it has a multiplier impact and it's really great. the one thing that i've noticed in the last year since operating a water bottle we've been providing to large events and festivals is that it's great to see thousands and thousands of people hydrating themselves easily and efficiently and maintaining public health. so, it's a good feeling to operate that. but we've had a modifier to put
a [speaker not understood] on because not everybody has their cup. there was a solution that was elegant and effective. we also recognize that of all the places we brought this water, san francisco provided us the most challenges in hooking it up, provided getting access to public water has proven quite difficult for us. so, i appreciate how that is included in this legislation that will be expanded access to [speaker not understood] distribution services and expanding access to public water is really important. also wanted to mention that free water bottles are the biggest problem we've noticed. sometimes when free water bottles are given out, they don't get consumed fully and we can't even pull the bag out of the bin because it's full of water. so, that's just something to keep in mind. thank you very much. i support it and i appreciate the work. >> sir, i have a question. in terms of you said san francisco is more challenging than other cities in terms of
the hookups, and obviously that's something we want to address, can you sort of briefly maybe be a little more specific what those challenges are? because i know we're all commit today trying to address that. a number of events like the street fair, bringing in decompression that we do, try to hook it up and haven't had anyplace to hookup. the parks department said the water wasn't potable or there wasn't anyway to hookup unless we were to actually go out and spend a lot of money and time getting one of those meters for the fire hydrants and you also needed san francisco business license and a lot of other stuff -- >> what did you do -- for example, decompression, was that a block party? the street fair is over 10,000 people. >> [speaker not understood] street. i ended up having maybe 700 feet of [speaker not understood] hose and we had to connect it to the back of cafe cocomo and [speaker not understood] connect it at the water bar. >> okay. it will be much easier to
do in the park. >> and in other cities, how is it, when you say it's easier, like how so? you know, people from the parks and rec department, when you get a permit will come out and meet you and provide you with a coil to connect to the water. pick it up when you're done without an extra charge. it gets rolled into the cost of renting -- >> the park seem like it's easier. in terms of the streets, have you thought about how we can resolve that so you wouldn't have to find a good hearted restaurant that will let you use their water source? you know, it can be done. i think puc method of getting the hydrant access is great, but it could be cheaper and streamlined. there's a large deposit and fee associated with that. >> okay. how much is that deposit and fee? i think the deposit was over $500 and the fee was a couple hundred dollar. plus the metered use. >> from the fire hydrants.
okay, thank you. i actually want to hear from the puc after public comment on that particular issue around street fairs because it seems -- on the public streets because that is a more challenging place to access water. yeah, i am michael davis. i'm the owner and founder of u.s. pure water which is a company that is a mission driven company to help people get off of bottled water. so, this is an issue that we deal with all the time. we have a contract with the city and county of san francisco and have helped replace bottled water in their offices and they've been responsible for making sure that that's a successful situation. and it saved a city over a million dollars by doing that. that actually, when that happened, it's kind of key to the importance of doing something like what you're proposing to do. i'm very supportive of what you're talking about here. we originally had the contract
with the city ask county, but nobody was proactively changing from bottled water to bottleless water systems until gavin newsom issued that executive order to restrict city ask county funds for being used for bottled water. habits die difficultly some time. when you put in legislation that doesn't put difficulty on somebody but makes it easier for people to get water such as what you're lookinging at doing here, you actually help to educate the population ~ to alternative that they have. it's a good way to help behavior change in a more positive direction. we have done a lot of events for the city and county including the america's cup and the oyster festival. a lot of festivals that you mention, we've provided the water bottles for those events and michael actually has run a
water bar. we provide water bars for other event producer. if you have any questions in regards to the implementation of this, i'm happy to answer any questions and have been in touch with david chiu's office some in terms of helping this. so, if you have any question, i'm happy to answer them. >> thank you very much. next speaker. good afternoon, supervisors. my name is taylor stafford. i'm the president and ceo of pier 39. the san francisco bottled water ordinance unfairly impacts an entire industry that provides important services to visitors to san francisco, and in particular a proud partner of pier 39 whose innovation this in environmental achievements should be celebrated and promoted rather than restricted. each year millions of visitors come to san francisco and visit pier 39 with back packses and children in tow, people walk our cities to experience landmarks and attractions.
these families want and prefer their convenience and healthfulness of boltled water in small, ease toy carry packaging such as 12 to 14 ounce bottles. eliminating the availability of this packaging creates an unnecessary convenience for millions of people. the alternative is to require them to carry 21 ounce heavier bottles [speaker not understood]. as importantly, crystal guyser, a bottler of natural spring water ~ has been a proud and responsible corporate partner of pier 39 for 19 years. producing the cleanest and healthiest bottled beverage to our visitors, crystal guyser has been a leading innovator and excellent partner who shares social justice and environmental goals of our city. crystal guyser in particular and the bottle water beverage industry in general has reduced the plastic packaging by 25% over the last two decades. crystal guyser's packaging contains no [speaker not
understood], convenient and desirable product for our visitors and is easily recycled which helps achieve 70% waste diversion rate annually. i ask that you reconsider the ordinance. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> is there any additional public comment on item 1? hi. hi. my name is mary his chester and i am an organizer with [speaker not understood]. we have many members right here in san francisco ~. over 35 years we waged the successful campaign to protect human rights and the environment. through our eight year old think outside the bottle campaign we've collaborated with over 140 cities, universities and many national parks to promote tap over bottled water. and san francisco will continue to play a lead role in this movement bypassing president chiu's ordinance. 2007, as supervisor mentioned, san francisco set a precedent
for citieses across the u.s. by cutting spending on bottled water. we saved tax payers nearly $500,000 a year and underscored the importance of our public water system. supervisor chiu's ordinance build on that legacy by codifying this commitment into law and increasing access to public water on city property. it is an important step toward ensuring our community has access to choose clean and safe public water. and by reinvesting in and promoting public water over bottled water, san francisco will set an important example for other cities and people across the country. the bottled water industry has had misleading marketing [speaker not understood]. public water is much more regulated than bottled water and is the best way to ensure access for water to everyone. not just those who can pay a market price. water is a public good, not a commodity to be bought and sold. and as of 2007 executive order, the ripple of this leadership will be felt in cities and
towns across the u.s. a strong stand in this ordinance for public water and making a powerful statement about the urgent need to invest our [speaker not understood] public service. so, thank you. >> thank you very much. ms. bobbitt. hi, supervisors. nice to see all of you, and thank you for hearing this item today. i'm karen bobbitt representing the sierra club, currently the chair of the san francisco group which mean i spend mostly my time telling people to wrap it up, your time is up. unfortunate experience in a meeting. to keep things fair i'll keep it short and sweet today. the sierra club supports the san francisco water bottled ordinance. we like the goal because it fits with our support of zero waste principles. it fits with the idea of reducing waste in the first place should be a top priority [speaker not understood]
rotting in the case of food somebody pointed out to me today. as was pointed out in the finding section of the legislation, it takes a lot more resources, energy, and water, for example, to produce and transport bottled water than it does to produce tap water and there is the waste, of course. plastics end up in our oceanses much more than they should and harm animals [speaker not understood]. another issue i think by a few speakers that came up at our meeting, increasing the availability of drinking water in public areas is important because drinking water shouldn't be available only to those who can afford to pay a premium for it. and the last thing to add and president chiu brought this up earlier, is that we would also support [speaker not understood] to strengthen legislation by reducing ability to grant waivers and completely understand that there are quarterly reporting requirements and why they were granted, but we would like something even stronger. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. commissioner rabanas. i apologize, i didn't realize
you were here. i would have called you up earlier. no need, i have to be a private citizen. my name is ruth [speaker not understood] and i do remember the boda bag. [speaker not understood]. the the attrition on the environment we've been talking about is an ordinance [speaker not understood] it's a great day to see it's come this far and very grateful to supervisor chiu for taking the lead on this. we heard a lot of talk about the many environmental impacts very, very negative. one is the amount of waste that ends up in our oceans and in the bay, but i want to make sure people understand that even if we have an enormous public educational campaign, everyone to put those bottles in the recycling bins, we still would have a terrible problem because there's really no such thing as recycling our plastic bottle.
they end up getting [speaker not understood]. but each time they are supposedly recycled, reconstituted, reprocessed, they come out as a less valuable item until they do end up in the landfill eventually anyway. so, one of the thing we need to address is kind of the myth of recycling these bottles. but with all of these egregious impacts on the environment, some of us are a little frustrated that the ordinance isn't a bit stronger, but it's a fabulous step in the right direction. we think that the time frame for implementation is generous and reasonable and we absolutely support everything that is in the ordinance that does effectively ensure public health and adequate hydration. so, we're very, very pleased to support the ordinance. >> thank you, commissioner. is there any additional public comment on item 1? seeing none, we'll close public comment. [gavel] >> supervisor chiu. >> thank you, mr. chair. i first want to take a moment to thank all the members of the public that came to speak on
this item and i wanted to just make a couple of observations. first of all, to thank all of the environmental activists both here in san francisco and around the country that have been really furthering this issue starting with think outside the bottle campaign run by the corporate accountability international organization. want to take a moment and really thank our students here locally particularly at the san francisco at sf san francisco state for leading the way. students have really championed this around north america and really need to be commended for your activities in this area. want to also thank racology because right now they need to collect 10 to 15 million single usev plastic water bottles every single year. if we are successful with this ordinance hopefully we can reduce the cost to our rate payer and what racology needs to do every single year. also